Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, the fact-checker is in serious trouble

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Arguments

Argument #082f0569 0 0 0

If it is true that...

Doing real-world things to establish that authors didn't exist or the events did not happen is both a lot of work and itself highly unreliable 0 0 1

Then it must be true that...

Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, the fact-checker is in serious trouble 0 0 1

Argument #5d8f2abb 0 0 1

If it is true that...

Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, one may have to start doing real-world things to establish that authors didn’t exist or the events did not happen 0 0 1

and

Doing real-world things to establish that authors didn't exist or the events did not happen is both a lot of work and itself highly unreliable 0 0 1

Then it must be true that...

Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, the fact-checker is in serious trouble 0 0 1

Argument #79a67575 0 0 0

If it is true that...

Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, it is no longer enough to simply trace a few citations from the comfort of one's computer 0 0 1

Then it must be true that...

Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, the fact-checker is in serious trouble 0 0 1

Argument #88e4b29e 0 0 0

If it is true that...

Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, it is no longer enough to simply trace a few citations from the comfort of one's computer 0 0 1

and

Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, is it no longer enough to simply verify a watermark indicating that some text passed through OpenAI’s servers at some point 0 0 1

Then it must be true that...

Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, the fact-checker is in serious trouble 0 0 1

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Consequences

Argument #63da6b7d 0 0 1

If it is true that...

With generative models, it will become entirely possible to close the loops on fabricated claims and their citations 0 0 1

and

Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, the fact-checker is in serious trouble 0 0 1

Then it must be true that...

The rise of generative models will produce serious problems 0 0 1

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Related Propositions

Determined fabricators usually cannot fake entire journals or articles or authors or websites recursively 0 0 1 Determined fabricators usually cannot achieve "epistemic closure" 0 0 1 Historically, debunking a claim usually only required checking citations 1-3 levels deep 0 0 1 At the edge of their citation graph, determined fabricators are forced to either make up the claim without citation/sourcing or risk a miscitation by misattributing it to an innocent real source 0 0 1 With generative models, it will become entirely possible to close the loops on fabricated claims and their citations 0 0 1 Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, it is no longer enough to simply trace a few citations from the comfort of one's computer 0 0 1 Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, is it no longer enough to simply verify a watermark indicating that some text passed through OpenAI’s servers at some point 0 0 1 Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, one may have to start doing real-world things to establish that authors didn’t exist or the events did not happen 0 0 1 Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, the fake world will be pulled up into the generative models by later scrapes 0 0 1 Once the loops on fabricated claims and citations are closed, the fake world will start influencing all future generations 0 0 1